I remember listening to Grover on John Peel as I did my homework as a kid – what caused the break-up?
That makes me feel pretty old! We didn’t really break up, just faded away. After 10 years, we’d pretty much achieved what we wanted to. None of us particular considered ‘Grover’ to be a viable career option! We’d released a number of records, did a Peel session and got a fair amount of radio play. We felt the band was getting a bit stale, so we went off and did our own things. Our original bass player, Andy Hall, had left after having completed our album ‘Tiny Blue Sparks’. Steve Hough joined on bass for gigs but we didn’t really write any new stuff after that. Steve and I put out a couple of records as experimental electronica project, ‘Krafla’. I worked with a singer called Clair Horton on her album, before embarking on my solo “career”. Steve and Si Rider, our drummer, went on to form ‘Einstellung’, who I’m a big fan of. We’re all still close friends and support each other’s stuff (except Steve doesn’t really like folk, so he takes the piss out of my banjo playing).
How long have you been making music? can you describe your first bands/songs?
As a kid, I played trombone and was in a swing band from about the age of 13. I bought myself a cheap guitar at 16 and joined a local band (which included Si from ‘Grover’) called ‘The Wimpletodes’. I still don’t know why they had such an awful name, but they were pretty good in a ‘Bunnymen’/'Mighty Lemon Drops’ kind of way.
The first band I formed was called ‘Sharon’ and we were sort of a shambolic hybrid of ‘Cud’, ‘The Fall’ and ‘Inspiral Carpets’. We got a reputation as a good live act, but were far too flaky to make much of it.
I joined local heroes ‘The Moneygods’ (again featuring Si) for a couple of years. The singer was Daz Hale, who is now a presenter on BBC WM!
Si and I finally decided we should form a band that reflected our love for more alternative stuff like ‘Sonic Youth’, ‘Stereolab’, ‘Dinosaur Jr’, etc. and that’s when ‘Grover’ was born.
Are there any musicians/artists which have left a long lasting impression upon you? what is it about them that you found affecting?
My all time heroes don’t necessarily mirror the kind of music I make myself. I will always love Tom Waits and Captain Beefheart and my approach these days is informed by another idol of mine, Robert Wyatt. Closer to the stuff I do now, ‘Red House Painters’ and ‘Papa M’ have been a tremendous influence, and I spend a fair amount of time listening to classic folkies like John Renbourn and Bert Jansch. PJ Harvey, ‘Breeders’, ‘Throwing Muses’ and ‘Sebadoh’ all get an honourable mention and I still tend to put in a few more avant-garde elements into my music, which reflects this.
How involved are you in the local music scene? Which groups/musicians do you think people should keep an eye out for?
I guess I’m not as directly involved as I used to be when ‘Bearos Records’ was going strong. We used to help national and international acts get gigs in Brum in return for them giving us one, and this was fun. I still go to a lot of gigs (mainly ones put on by Capsule) and I’m involved with ‘Commercially Inviable’, a record label/collective based in Birmingham. I play in James Summerfield’s band when he asks.
I would say you should definitely watch out for ‘Gurdan Thomas’. It’ not entirely clear whether he’s a person, a band or a loose collective (non of them are actually called Gurdan Thomas…). He/they’ve just released an album on ‘Commercially Inviable’ and are making a real name for themselves, particularly on the continent – main man Ian divides his time between the UK and Bavaria. Gurdan’s stuff is very upbeat and inventive, and quite silly in a ‘Gorky’s Zygotic Mynci’ kind of way and they’re all great musicians.
Do you feel the death of John Peel 6 years ago, has had any affect on home-grown, independent music?
It was an incredible pleasure to have met Peel on a number of occasions, including playing host to him when he came to Brum in 2000 for ‘Music Live’. At the time, he was a one-man industry and pretty much the only mainstream outlet for bands like ‘Grover’ and our mates on other labels around the country. I think after the initial shock of his death, and for about a year or so afterwards, there was a gaping hole in the independent music scene. Huw Stephens and others took on the mantle to some extent, but it took a whole new station, BBC 6Music, to really provide some kind of effective replacement. On that level, I think it’s actually more healthy in that there are more shows and presenters willing to showcase new music. I know that Gideon Coe and Marc Riley have played my solo stuff, which is nice.
Online media have revolutionised the distribution of independent music, but I’m not sure whether it will really provide a practical career path for the majority of musicians. There’s simply too many outlets to choose from. I listen to 6Music most days and have discovered a lot of great new stuff as a result but, for me, live music remains the main focus for discovering the real impressive stuff. ‘All Tomorrow’s Parties’ festival has been a wonderful development over the last 10 years and I go every year. Locally, Capsule have gone from strength to strength and their ‘Supersonic Festival’ is more or less the only thing that can hold a candle to ‘ATP’.















